david79 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 il y a 11 minutes, tibocm1 a dit : Comme quoi, il n’y avait vraiment pas de quoi s’inquiéter. Le club fait vraiment du bon travail. Difficile de juger. Comme bien souvent c'est avec le temps qu'on peut se faire un avis. A Leeds, sa dernière saison n'a pas été simple. Pas hyper rassuré mais bon on verra bien.
Fredo_PL Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 https://theathletic.com/3247330/2022/04/19/bielsa-benoit-delaval-leeds-united-washing-machine-day-it-stops/ Article (en anglais) très très intéressant sur le parcours de DELAVAL notamment à Leeds et aussi sur sa méthodologie... Ce qui en ressort c'est que c'est un énorme bosseur, qui réfléchit aux moindres détails... ;) beber49 a réagi à ceci 1
beber49 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 il y a 31 minutes, Fredo_PL a dit : https://theathletic.com/3247330/2022/04/19/bielsa-benoit-delaval-leeds-united-washing-machine-day-it-stops/ Article (en anglais) très très intéressant sur le parcours de DELAVAL notamment à Leeds et aussi sur sa méthodologie... Ce qui en ressort c'est que c'est un énorme bosseur, qui réfléchit aux moindres détails... ;) pas d'abonnement helas.
Fredo_PL Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Bielsa’s fitness coach Delaval: ‘Being at Leeds was like being in a washing machine… And then one day it stops’ By Daniel Taylor Apr 19, 2022 112 “Usually, the fans ask the board to sack the manager. Sometimes they will hold up flags inside the stadium with the message, ‘Sack the manager’. With Leeds, however, we lost against Liverpool and the fans were still shouting in support of the manager. The fans were amazing with us, and this means more than anything.” ADVERTISEMENT We are talking about Marcelo Bielsa’s final weeks at Leeds United and Benoit Delaval is trying to find the words to sum up all the different emotions of their three and a half years together at Elland Road. “Being at Leeds was like being in a washing machine, turning you round and round,” he says. “You keep being spun, over and over again. And then, one day, it stops and it’s so strange. You’re at home, and you don’t know what to do. You drop off your children at school and you pick them up. In between, you try to keep busy. But there is something missing.” Delaval is the first member of Bielsa’s close staff to speak in-depth since everything changed on February 27, and it does not need long in his company to realise how that decision has impacted his life. “I couldn’t watch the first three games after we had been sacked,” he says. “It’s difficult to explain how it felt. The first three games were against Leicester, Aston Villa and Norwich, and the only way I can describe it is that I was not ready to watch. “It was the first time I had ever been fired — I was still so emotionally involved. “It was strange and frustrating to be out of the club. I knew the games were on, but it was too difficult for me to watch. So my family watched the games downstairs while I stayed upstairs and did some work on my PhD (doctorate).” Benoit Delaval at Elland Road in February 2020 (Photo: Tim Goode/PA Images via Getty Images) To introduce him properly, Delaval was the specialist fitness coach whose training regime helped to turn Leeds into the machine that delivered the longed-for promotion back to the Premier League after 16 years in the second and third tiers and, for a long time, seemed happy to go toe-to-toe with everyone. Delaval did his work largely out of the limelight and says there have been only three or four occasions, as he lives just outside Leeds, when he has been recognised on trips into a city he has come to love. Yet that doesn’t change the importance of his role during an era when Bielsa was king and opponents marvelled at Leeds’ conditioning. ADVERTISEMENT “The idea was to be as fit as possible — and fitter than our opponents,” says Delaval. “We wanted to be a proactive team. The idea was to impose our football on the opponents, rather than the other way round. We worked a lot. If we weren’t able to make a difference from a technical or tactical point of view, we knew there might be a moment when our physical qualities could help us win a game. We had a demanding style. And it was important for us to be the fittest team in the league.” Delaval speaks from a position of authority, given that he has devoted his working life to getting footballers into their absolute peak conditions. His PhD is to devise an “evidence-based protocol” for players to recover from post-match fatigue in congested periods of the season. It was Delaval who put in place the all-action training matches that came to be known as “Murderball”. And, for a long time, it was glorious. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, then manager of Manchester United, described Leeds as “the fittest team in the Premier League”. Dean Smith said the same while he was in charge of Villa. Steve Bruce repeated the compliment as Newcastle United head coach. Others, too. At the end of last season, data showed Leeds had the best sprinting statistics of any team in Europe, as the graph below illustrates. Look at Leeds, all on their own up in the top right-hand corner: Bielsa’s players sprinted longer distances and more often per game than anyone else — by an enormous margin. Patrick Bamford, Kalvin Phillips and other Leeds players have attributed the team’s recent successes, in part, to their meticulously planned training regime. “I have so many memories,” says Delaval. “When I go back to my first season with Leeds, I think about the time we were losing 2-0 to Aston Villa at half-time and came back to win 3-2, with Kemar Roofe scoring the winner in added time. That was very satisfying because if we didn’t have a good fitness level it would have been difficult to lift our game like that from two goals down. ADVERTISEMENT “I remember us going to Birmingham City (in December 2019) and winning 5-4 and, again, it told us a lot about the team. Birmingham made it 4-4 after 90 minutes (had been played). We scored the winning goal in the last minute of added time. This was something special, too.” Even if Leeds lost a player to a red card, they were so supremely fit it was difficult sometimes for opponents to take advantage of the extra man. The time, for example, when Leeds went to Manchester last April, to face a City team who were closing in on the Premier League title, and came away with a victory Delaval will never forget. “We were down to 10 men just before half-time because Liam Cooper had received a red card,” he says, talking with an expression of unmistakable pride on his face. “I remember us losing Gaetano Berardi to a red card in the first half of one match against Millwall in the Championship. At Millwall, we tried to play, even with 10 men (and ended up losing, 2-1). Against Manchester City, it was different. We had to defend and defend. Then, finally, we won the game with a goal from Stuart Dallas in added time. “With Leeds, it felt sometimes like anything was possible.” Before we go any further, we should probably make it clear that Delaval has no appetite to respond to the allegations from Jesse Marsch, the new Leeds manager, that Bielsa was guilty of over-working and over-training the players. The Athletic’s initial interview with Delaval took place 10 days before Marsch went public to claim the players were mentally and physically worn out by Bielsa’s requirements. Delaval is aware of what’s been said, and it would be fair to assume he did not expect it. However, he has taken the view there is nothing to be gained from becoming engaged in a war of words with Marsch here. It is not Delaval’s style. And, besides, Bielsa and his staff could probably be forgiven for thinking they are under no pressure to defend the methodology that was, lest it be forgotten, crucial to Leeds’ success since 2018. “We had the fittest team because the style we played helped us to be the fittest team,” says Delaval. “We achieved a lot together. We know what we did. Leeds had been outside the Premier League for 16 years. This was massive for the club.” Delaval’s background came as a promising athlete (he ran the Manchester marathon two weeks ago, finishing in 2hrs 58mins) who studied at the university in Lille, the city in northern France where he grew up. Also an accomplished cyclist, badminton player and “Conference level” footballer, he initially had ambitions to become a sports teacher before deciding he wanted to be at the sharp end of professional sport and, aged 20, taking a job in the academy of his hometown’s Ligue 1 club. Delaval held various roles at Lille for 14 years, helping the development of Eden Hazard, Divock Origi, Lucas Digne, Yves Bissouma, Nicolas Pepe and Benjamin Pavard, among others. Then, in May 2017, Bielsa began his short spell as Lille manager. It lasted only six months but Delaval, by now working with the first team, had made a favourable impression and Bielsa needed a fitness coach when he accepted the offer to manage Leeds the following summer. When Bielsa asked Salim Lamrani, another member of his backroom staff, for a second opinion, the response was emphatic. “Benoit is by far the best colleague I have had in my professional life,” Lamrani told him. Delaval moved to Leeds with his wife, Axelle, and their two children, Emma and Mael. His job was to devise a training regime that fitted in with Bielsa’s wish to have a team that could outrun every opponent they faced. “Marcelo pushed us all every day,” says Delaval. “Both of us are big workers. It was demanding, challenging, interesting. Like me, Marcelo believed in work and preparation.” The Frenchman’s philosophy can be summed up by his fondness for famed scientist Louis Pasteur’s quote that “chance favours the prepared mind”. No detail was too small (Delaval even studied the curve of the sun above Elland Road, to find out which side of the pitch was preferable for goalkeeper Illan Meslier). He also cites the famous old quote from Gary Player, the nine-time Major golf champion, that “the harder you work, the luckier you get” and that permeated everything at Leeds’ training ground. Murderball, for starters. “The idea was to have Murderball as close as possible to a normal game,” says Delaval. “The average Premier League game lasts 96 minutes but the effective playing time is less than 60 minutes. So we tried, in Murderball, to go by the effective playing time. It was very quick, very intense. No corners, no offsides, no throw-ins. We had members of staff who returned a ball as soon as it went out. “We blew for the big fouls — but only the big ones. Like his Lille and then Leeds boss Marcelo Bielsa, Delaval believes in ‘work and preparation’ (Photo: Clint Hughes/PA Images via Getty Images) “What I don’t know is who came up with the Murderball name. This term came in very quickly. I also used it when I spoke to players. It was funny. But it was strange, too, that it created so much talk, because almost every club in the world has this kind of match, 11-v-11 on a full pitch, every single week. It was very demanding for the players, and when it finished they were very fatigued. After that, though, it made the games easier for them.” At the same time, Delaval put in place an “injury-prevention pyramid” to try to strike the balance between working the players hard but not to the point where they might break down. “We will always have injuries in football, but the idea is to prevent as many as we can. We had programmes based on the age of the player, their positions, their injury history. We worked on it every single day.” This included individually tailored programmes to prepare for matches and training sessions. “If a player had an ACL (knee) injury the year before, he would have a specific plan,” says Delaval. “If a player had two hamstring injuries in the previous six months, there would be a specific plan. The player who had undergone surgery on his ankle would have a specific plan. The player with weakness in his calves had a specific plan. We had programmes depending on the players’ needs. It was always a question of balance.” Did it work? Perhaps the best way to answer that question is to remember these were some golden years for Leeds: the play-offs, automatic promotion as champions, then finishing ninth in their first year back in the top division, before results deteriorated and injuries took hold this season. But Delaval also has the statistical evidence to back up his firmly held belief that Leeds’ injury issues have not been as widespread as some believe. His data shows that, in Bielsa’s entire time at Elland Road, their highest spike of injuries totted up to eight absentees. Some clubs had fewer, others more. Leicester City, for example, were missing 12 players through injury at one stage this season, according to the Premier Injuries database. Everton and Norwich City have both had 10 out at once, as have Manchester City and (twice) Liverpool last season. Leeds have been particularly hurt this season by the long-term injuries that deprived them of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and so dramatically altered the spine of the team. Yet Delaval has also looked at the availability rate for Leeds’ first-team players after the 26-game mark (when Bielsa was sacked) compared to previous years. The numbers, he says, are just the same as two of their other three seasons at the club. “The difference this season is that we had more major injuries,” says Delaval. “Even worse, they were major injuries for key players. The availability rate is exactly the same but when you lose key players at the same time, the difference is massive.” April 1, 2019. It was late in Bielsa’s first season and Cooper, the Leeds captain, waited for Delaval after training and broke the news, grim-faced, that the players wanted a meeting because of some problems that needed airing. As Delaval entered the changing room, the mood seemed tense. The first player to speak out was Ezgjan Alioski. Training, the man known as Gianni complained, was unbearable. The players were worn out. It could not go on any longer or they would all be broken. Luke Ayling was next to complain that the workouts were too long and too rigorous. Then it was Mateusz Klich’s turn to say it was time for Delaval to put the players out of their misery and kill off Murderball. Delaval felt his world caving in. “There were maybe 20 to 25 players. ‘We are tired’, they were saying, ‘We train too much, it’s too hard; we’re not in condition to play the next game’. I could not believe what I was hearing. ‘Wow, what’s happened?’ The last training session had been really good. I hadn’t seen any signs of the players not feeling great. There were no clues at all, no red flags. “I also knew that if I received this kind of complaint from my players, I had to inform the technical staff. In my head, I was already starting to think about the consequences.” At which point striker Roofe — who had christened the Frenchman “Uncle Ben” — could not hold in the laughter any more. It spread like wildfire. And suddenly it was pandemonium and the players were jumping on Delaval. April Fool! Or, as it is known in France, Poisson d’Avril (April fish). It is a lovely memory now and an example, perhaps, of the togetherness that existed between Bielsa’s staff and the group of players who reminded Leeds’ supporters that, finally, the club were ready to compete at the top level again. Bielsa addresses his Leeds players during the 2019-20 pre-season in Sydney, Australia (Photo: Steve Christo – Corbis/Corbis via Getty Images) “We had a good connection,” says Delaval. “I was always very honest with the players. If I had to say to someone, ‘Congratulations, what you did today was unbelievable’, I would say this. But if I had to say, ‘Fuck off. This behaviour was not right’, I would say that too. I respected the players and I think I had that respect back. From the start, the connection was very good.” All of which made it so hard when Leeds took what their chairman, Andrea Radrizzani, has described as the “toughest decision” of his time at the club just under two months ago. “It was emotional for me,” says Delaval. “I had lived my life with Leeds for three and a half years and then, in 24 hours, it was all over. When you move house, you have time to say goodbye to everyone. But football is so quick. The club released the news on Sunday morning. We went to say goodbye to the players on Monday, but it was all so sudden.” Colleagues at Leeds talk about Delaval being diligent, driven and so courteous — thanking Bielsa’s translator, sentence by sentence, on some occasions — the manager would often comment, “How polite Benoit is.” Delaval will also be remembered in Leeds for going to Milan to collect the 2019 FIFA Fair Play award (top image). Leeds had won the award because of the team’s reaction to scoring against promotion rivals Villa while an opposition player was down injured late in a game at Elland Road that April. Bielsa had asked Delaval to attend the ceremony because the decision to let Villa score, unchallenged, directly from the restart was largely influenced by his fitness coach. “I didn’t convince Marcelo it was the right thing to do,” says Delaval, who flew out to Italy with skipper Cooper and read out Bielsa’s acceptance speech from the stage. “I helped him, maybe. Or I supported him. He asked what we should do. I was the one on the bench who said, ‘Yes, we can do this’, and Liam was the one on the pitch who said the same.” As for what he does next, Delaval is loyal to Bielsa and so is waiting to see whether the 66-year-old Argentinian manages again in Europe. However, Delaval is also keeping an open mind in case another opportunity comes up in England. He still lives on the outskirts of Leeds and talks like an honorary Yorkshireman. “You can feel the unity of the city. It’s strange for a big English city to have only one football club, but this is the strength of Leeds,” he says. “From the start, my connection with the city has been good. My wife is happy here. My children are happy. The culture and spirit and mentality of the English people is fantastic. We fell in love with the city and the country.” And now, seven weeks after the 4-0 home defeat by Tottenham Hotspur that ended the Bielsa era, Delaval feels able to watch Leeds again. The first time was the televised match against Wolves at Molineux and it was another reminder about the way this club can play with people’s emotions. Leeds were 2-0 down after an hour at Molineux that Friday night. Full-time: Wolves 2, Leeds 3. The winning goal, scored by Ayling, came in stoppage time. “I know in football that everything can happen until the last whistle, and that applies even more so with Leeds,” says Delaval, smiling. “These players never give up. They always have the support of the fans. “Everything can happen in football — especially if you are Leeds.” tibocm1 et beber49 ont réagi à ceci 2
beber49 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Excellent, merci !!! J'ai vraiment vraiment vraiment vraiment l'impression de lire le jeu de Lens quand je lis ce jeu de Leeds... Il me semble coller parfaitement à ce que FH souhaite, un jeu d'occupation et de pression plus ou moins permanente. Après, espérons qu'il corrige un peu le tir par rapport aux blessures lourdes que Leeds a subi, même si rien ne dit que cette hécatombe lui incombait.
Hiker Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Il y a 6 heures, david79 a dit : https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Benoit-delaval-remplace-laurent-bessiere-au-poste-de-directeur-de-la-performance-du-rc-lens/1366246 Perso, je ne le connais pas. L'article parle de son aptitude à pouvoir faire enchaîner les matchs aux joueurs tous les 3 jours. Mais de quel club parle-t-il ? Leeds ? Bonne chance à lui, en espérant qu'il réussisse au sein du club et ne nous fasse pas une Bassiere qui, je l'espère, sera envoyé au placard jusqu'à la fin de son préavis.
Hiker Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Il y a 3 heures, tibocm1 a dit : Comme quoi, il n’y avait vraiment pas de quoi s’inquiéter. Le club fait vraiment du bon travail. Pour le moment, ils ont surtout trouvé un remplaçant. On ne sait pas ce qu'il donnera. Même si le profil semble intéressant, mais attendons de voir ce que ça va donner avant de crier victoire. manico et david79 ont réagi à ceci 2
tibocm1 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 il y a 34 minutes, Hiker a dit : Pour le moment, ils ont surtout trouvé un remplaçant. On ne sait pas ce qu'il donnera. Même si le profil semble intéressant, mais attendons de voir ce que ça va donner avant de crier victoire. Son CV est bien supérieur à celui de Bessière, en tout cas.
david79 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 (modifié) il y a 19 minutes, tibocm1 a dit : Son CV est bien supérieur à celui de Bessière, en tout cas. Lille et Leeds, c'est mieux que Lens et Reims ? Leeds, ils sont 15ème. Reims avec Bessière a reussi à être européen. Bessière a tellement apporté à Lens que seul l'avenir nous dira si Delaval est un bon directeur de la permanence. Modifié le 22 novembre 2022 par david79
tibocm1 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 22 novembre 2022 il y a 2 minutes, david79 a dit : Lille et Leeds, c'est mieux que Lens et Reims ? Leeds, ils sont 15ème. Reims avec Bessière a reussi à être européen. Bessière a tellement apporté à Lens que seul l'avenir nous dira si Delaval est un bon directeur de la permanence. Lens n'a pas toujours été deuxième, non plus. Lille a l'époque était supérieur à Lens... Comme le dit l'article, il y a aussi plus de 15 ans avec les jeunes du LOSC, où il a aidé des tops joueurs (Hazard, Origi). Et oui, je considère que s'expatrier en Angleterre, avec une équipe d'un autre budget, un football d'une toute autre intensité, et aussi une montée avec Leeds dans un championnat compliqué comme la championship, ça amène une belle plus value sur ton CV. Encore une fois, je ne remets pas en cause le travail de Bessière mais sur le papier, pourquoi être inquiet ? Je ne vois aucune raison. Je trouve que justement sur le papier, c'est alléchant. Ça ne garanti pas le succès mais soyons positifs. vince et karldu91 ont réagi à ceci 2
coconuts Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 La deuxième division anglaise, c'est un championnat dingue. 24 équipes ça fait 46 matchs. C'est 8 matchs de plus qu'en France avec aussi deux coupes nationales je crois. Ça fait des saisons qui sont presque automatiquement à plus de 50 matchs. Peut-être que seul le PSG fait ça en France. Le fait qu'il ait un doctorat sur le sujet et qu'il ait été choisi par Bielsa qui est un fou furieux de tactique et du jeu physique (mais aussi humainement un profil très étrange, peut-être autiste), ça en fait un profil extrêmement atypique je trouve. Après... le CV, c'est le CV. Mais des saisons à 50-60 matchs, un doctorat, la proximité de Bielsa, ce truc de Murderball (pas compris encore ce que c'était par contre😅)... c'est sans aucun doute un mec avec de très grandes convictions, de très fortes idées. Entre un Haise dont on connaît les convictions et un Delaval qui aura du répondant et de la suite dans les idées, je suis impatient de voir le résultat. Si le mec a réussi à travailler avec Bielsa, je me dis que ce sera pas compliqué de travailler avec Haise. Mais la rencontre des deux peut être explosive. Quand deux personnes ont des convictions très fortes, des idées très précises... soit c'est l'entente parfaite, soit ça clash... tibocm1 a réagi à ceci 1
tibocm1 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 il y a 12 minutes, coconuts a dit : La deuxième division anglaise, c'est un championnat dingue. 24 équipes ça fait 46 matchs. C'est 8 matchs de plus qu'en France avec aussi deux coupes nationales je crois. Ça fait des saisons qui sont presque automatiquement à plus de 50 matchs. Peut-être que seul le PSG fait ça en France. Le fait qu'il ait un doctorat sur le sujet et qu'il ait été choisi par Bielsa qui est un fou furieux de tactique et du jeu physique (mais aussi humainement un profil très étrange, peut-être autiste), ça en fait un profil extrêmement atypique je trouve. Après... le CV, c'est le CV. Mais des saisons à 50-60 matchs, un doctorat, la proximité de Bielsa, ce truc de Murderball (pas compris encore ce que c'était par contre😅)... c'est sans aucun doute un mec avec de très grandes convictions, de très fortes idées. Entre un Haise dont on connaît les convictions et un Delaval qui aura du répondant et de la suite dans les idées, je suis impatient de voir le résultat. Si le mec a réussi à travailler avec Bielsa, je me dis que ce sera pas compliqué de travailler avec Haise. Mais la rencontre des deux peut être explosive. Quand deux personnes ont des convictions très fortes, des idées très précises... soit c'est l'entente parfaite, soit ça clash... Ce que j'ai compris, c'est que c'est un concept où toutes les semaines, les joueurs font un 11 vs 11 à l'entrainement avec aucun temps mort. En gros, ce qu'il explique, c'est qu'en général un match c'est 60 minutes de temps jeu "effectif" et non 95/96 minutes. Du coup, l'idée c'était de faire un match d'entrainement avec énormément d'intensité sur 60 minutes, pas plus. Aussi, avec ce concept, les touches, corners et hors jeu n'existent pas. Murdeball, c'est le surnom donné à ce jeu. J'imagine que c'est lié au fait que c'était ultra fatiguant et que les joueurs terminés "morts" (juste une supposition). vince et coconuts ont réagi à ceci 2
Hiker Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Il y a 12 heures, tibocm1 a dit : Son CV est bien supérieur à celui de Bessière, en tout cas. Oui c'est sûr. Personnellement ça me semble positif comme recrutement et j'aurais tendance à être optimiste. Mais attendons tout de même de voir, car beaucoup d'éléments vont rentrer en compte (comme son entente avec l'effectif).
karldu91 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 (modifié) Il y a 12 heures, david79 a dit : Lille et Leeds, c'est mieux que Lens et Reims ? Leeds, ils sont 15ème. Reims avec Bessière a reussi à être européen. Bessière a tellement apporté à Lens que seul l'avenir nous dira si Delaval est un bon directeur de la permanence. Franchement, comment nous, simples supporters absent de l'intérieur du groupe, pouvons nous réellement établir concrètement et factuellement l'apport de Bessière? Il était sans doute très bon, comme tous ceux choisis dans le staff depuis un moment et c'est aussi pour ça que Ghisofli l'a démarché. Mais franchement, ce travail de l'ombre, je ne vois pas comment on peut l'estimer d'où nous nous plaçons. Faire un parallèle entre classement et sa présence... je comprends pas réellement pourquoi ou comment. Du coup ce serait grâce à lui mais pas au reste du staff et aux joueurs? (cf. ton exemple à Reims). On peut franchement pas évaluer ce qu'il apportait sans être à l'intérieur du club. Alors oui physiquement, on est bons, et encore une fois je doute pas de son apport, mais c'est aussi car on a des joueurs qui sont de base bons physiquement. Des SAS ou Fofana, leurs 15 poumons étaient déjà loués dans leurs anciens clubs (et c'est aussi probablement pour ça qu'ils ont été choisis). Alors franchement, lui ou Delaval (que je ne connaissais pas, comme tous les pro de ce poste haha), qui est ou sera le meilleur? A moins que Delaval parte au clash vénère avec le staff, on ne le saura jamais... peu importe les résultats. Modifié le 23 novembre 2022 par karldu91 eagle, Mr_Moustache, Laudric et 3 autres ont réagi à ceci 5 1
RCL14920 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Il y a 9 heures, coconuts a dit : La deuxième division anglaise, c'est un championnat dingue. 24 équipes ça fait 46 matchs. C'est 8 matchs de plus qu'en France avec aussi deux coupes nationales je crois. Ça fait des saisons qui sont presque automatiquement à plus de 50 matchs. Peut-être que seul le PSG fait ça en France. Le fait qu'il ait un doctorat sur le sujet et qu'il ait été choisi par Bielsa qui est un fou furieux de tactique et du jeu physique (mais aussi humainement un profil très étrange, peut-être autiste), ça en fait un profil extrêmement atypique je trouve. Après... le CV, c'est le CV. Mais des saisons à 50-60 matchs, un doctorat, la proximité de Bielsa, ce truc de Murderball (pas compris encore ce que c'était par contre😅)... c'est sans aucun doute un mec avec de très grandes convictions, de très fortes idées. Entre un Haise dont on connaît les convictions et un Delaval qui aura du répondant et de la suite dans les idées, je suis impatient de voir le résultat. Si le mec a réussi à travailler avec Bielsa, je me dis que ce sera pas compliqué de travailler avec Haise. Mais la rencontre des deux peut être explosive. Quand deux personnes ont des convictions très fortes, des idées très précises... soit c'est l'entente parfaite, soit ça clash... Sans compter qu'en Coupe, en Angleterre, il me semble qu'on rejoue en cas de match nul. En plus, l'intensité, là-bas, c'est quelque chose. Ce qu'il y a appris est tout à fait transposable à Lens vu notre manière de jouer.
manico Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Auteur Posté(e) le 23 novembre 2022 Pour ceux qui seraient intéressés (on rejouera Nice très vite, 1 mois après le match chez eux): Sloy a réagi à ceci 1
Sloy Posté(e) le 24 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 24 novembre 2022 La Trannin debout "complet" pour les 6 matchs!
tibocm1 Posté(e) le 24 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 24 novembre 2022 Je pense qu’on peut affirmer sans trop de doutes que Lens fera ses 19 matchs à domicile à guichets fermés.
MisterFraiZ Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Il y a 7 heures, tibocm1 a dit : Je pense qu’on peut affirmer sans trop de doutes que Lens fera ses 19 matchs à domicile à guichets fermés. Si qualif en coupe d'Europe, faudra tripler la capacité du stade 😁
lensmust Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 N'empeche c'est vrai ça va devenir un vrai problème la capacité du stade non? 45 000 / 50 000 personnes serait je pense la bonne dimension mais bon rien ne nous garanti que nous ne retombions pas un jour en L2.... En L1 37 000 c'est clairement insuffisant et c'est la guerre pour trouver une place, le prix des places risque d'augmenter sensiblement si ça continue comme ça
beber49 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Pour éviter l'inflation, en faudrait-il pas envisager le fait que le club puisse racheter des places à des supporters qui ne peuvent pas venir ?
david79 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 il y a 57 minutes, beber49 a dit : Pour éviter l'inflation, en faudrait-il pas envisager le fait que le club puisse racheter des places à des supporters qui ne peuvent pas venir ? C'est déjà le cas via la plate-forme de revente des billets.
mArT Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 Posté(e) le 25 novembre 2022 il y a 30 minutes, david79 a dit : C'est déjà le cas via la plate-forme de revente des billets. En effet ça existe depuis des années. Et ça évite les problèmes. Quand tu vends sur la plate-forme le QR Code est obsolète et un nouveau et généré quand la palce est revendue. Ce qui évite les cas où au marché noir quand le mec qui t'a vendu le billet (a encore le QR Code) rentre avant toi bah tant pis... Mais les gens ne passent pas par la plateforme car ils veulent vendre les places à un prix autre que le prix d'achat... Sauf si ça a changé il me semble que tu revends ta place au même prix sur la plateforme
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